App Crash

zweg25zweg25 Member Posts: 738
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I am building an app right now, but during adhoc testing it crashes somewhat randomly during the gameplay. I cannot recreate the crash in the creator. I also am not sure what is causing the crash, but I am guessing it would have something to do with tables? What would cause the app to crash (meaning quit out of the app)? Calling things out of range from the table? Constraints? App size?

I apologize for the somewhat vague description, I am just looking for what would cause an app to crash in gamesalad? Why wouldn't anything happen in the creator? The crash always occurs during the gameplay scene, just at different moments.

Thanks everyone

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  • supafly129supafly129 Member Posts: 454
    edited June 2015

    it may be a memory crash though it's hard to tell without the project file. If that's the case, I believe you would need to try reducing the size/dimensions of your images (ex. 400x400 --> 200x200) or use less images in your project which is a problem many of us currently having, but the next 0.14 version of the GS creator is supposed to fix this whenever it finally arrives. Try deleting your biggest images in a copy file and see what happens in the ad hoc?

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  • gingagaminggingagaming FREELANCE GS DEV Member Posts: 1,685

    @zweg25 said:
    I am building an app right now, but during adhoc testing it crashes somewhat randomly during the gameplay. I cannot recreate the crash in the creator. I also am not sure what is causing the crash, but I am guessing it would have something to do with tables? What would cause the app to crash (meaning quit out of the app)? Calling things out of range from the table? Constraints? App size?

    I apologize for the somewhat vague description, I am just looking for what would cause an app to crash in gamesalad? Why wouldn't anything happen in the creator? The crash always occurs during the gameplay scene, just at different moments.

    Thanks everyone

    It could be a million things (well maybe quite not that many, but many). What I have experienced a lot when bug fixing other peoples projects that have crashes are refering to a table cell or a table collumn that doesnt exist. This normally comes in the form of searching for row/column 0. What some people do is have an attribute controlling what row or column to goto depending on that attribute value however they either dont update the value from 0 or most commonly fire the table search before the attribute has been set so it looks for Row 0.

    A quick test I found is to put a display behaviour with any attribute in the scene, play the game in creator and see if the display works, if it fails to display a value, then most likely (but not limited to) you have a problem with the logic and even more so this table row/column issue. Normally the game will carry on working but it just wont display the display behaviour but when on a device, it cant handle this error and will cause it to crash/close the game.

    So given that you have identified you are using tables, check that you are not making this mistake. Another way to get to the botton of the problem is BACKUP your project file and with the new file, start removing actors from your scene and test. Do this in steps so if you have 20 actors, remove 5 at a time. When the problem stops you can narrow those 5 actors to down to one. Then when down to one, make another copy of the project and keep all actors in the game but turn off the rules in the same way until you narrow it down to a single rule that is causing the issue. Its all long winded but it will get to the route of your problem.

    Another issue I found with a project the other week was file size. The clients project was nearly 90MB and crashed on a device, One of the images loading was a 7MB image. Im not sure if it was related to this one image but I shrunk and compressed all the images and made the file 20MB and the game worked as expected without crashing.

    Im sure there are many other methods devs use to bug fix but here is a start for you!

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  • The_Gamesalad_GuruThe_Gamesalad_Guru Member Posts: 9,922

    I agree. The searching for row or column 0 causes crashes. I would also hook it up to Xcode instruments and watch the memory. I have a video on using Xcode instruments.

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  • zweg25zweg25 Member Posts: 738
    edited June 2015

    Good ideas guys thanks! I believe it is calling for a table cell that doesn't exist I just cannot find it while I debug. The file size is somewhat large: 20-25MB.

    I will use Xcode instruments @The_Gamesalad_Guru and see how it goes, thanks. I will also start deleting actors @gingagaming and hope I find the root of the problem. Thanks guys

  • The_Gamesalad_GuruThe_Gamesalad_Guru Member Posts: 9,922

    When you use variables to fill a table expression make sure you have a condition in the rule that says when said variable is > 0

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  • zweg25zweg25 Member Posts: 738

    I used the Xcode instruments and everything looked as it should. I tried going through all the rules with table conditions and seeing what would cause it but no variable is ever at 0. The problem is it is very code heavy and I may be over looking something that is not jumping right out at me.

    Maybe something is dividing by 0? But I just cannot find it? Is there anyway to get an error report like in Xcode?

  • zweg25zweg25 Member Posts: 738

    Also, a little off topic, the first 6 seconds of a gamesalad game has 0 FPS. If you do not have a splash screen is there a way to just start the game?

  • ArmellineArmelline Member, PRO Posts: 5,354

    Disable as much logic as you can. Re-enable it a bit at a time until the crash starts occurring again. When it does, look in the last block of logic you enabled.

    How easy it will be to do this will depend on how regular the crashing is, though.

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  • The_Gamesalad_GuruThe_Gamesalad_Guru Member Posts: 9,922

    You can get your crash log off the device in Xcode. it may have some clues.

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  • GnarlyGnarly canadaMember Posts: 840

    Any luck Zak on this one? I know exactly how frustrating it can be. But my games are usually very simple.......... Eventually I start deleting actors, retest. I usually save along as I go and revert to an old version that tests stable and continue on from there.....

    Is your device almost full by chance?

  • zweg25zweg25 Member Posts: 738

    @The_Gamesalad_Guru how would I see that? @Armelline yeah I will have to, it just takes a good 5 minutes to put a new version on my phone and it's a lot to cancel out.

    Yeah Dwayne, Idk. My device is half full but still has a lot of room, so I am not sure.

    Thanks for all the ideas everyone

  • zweg25zweg25 Member Posts: 738

    Here was the crash log lol. I do not think it will be helpful but maybe someone understands it:

    Incident Identifier: 7267ABF0-72C6-4940-B93F-5A4D243A24B0

    CrashReporter Key: 9514ae4697385c20c660e651ae0272f1fe95d378

    Hardware Model: iPhone7,2

    OS Version: iPhone OS 8.3 (12F70)

    Kernel Version: Darwin Kernel Version 14.0.0: Sun Mar 29 19:42:54 PDT 2015;
    root:xnu-2784.20.34~2/RELEASE_ARM64_T7000

    Date: 2015-06-26 16:48:08 -0600

    Time since snapshot: 145 ms

    Free pages: 7272

    Active pages: 86880

    Inactive pages: 38618

    Speculative pages: 5306

    Throttled pages: 0

    Purgeable pages: 868

    Wired pages: 64324

    File-backed pages: 29355

    Anonymous pages: 101449

    Compressions: 7470805

    Decompressions: 3354366

    Compressor Size: 55690

    Uncompressed Pages in Compressor: 216887

    Page Size: 16384

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    End

  • The_Gamesalad_GuruThe_Gamesalad_Guru Member Posts: 9,922

    Hmmm doesn't look right. A crash log should look like this

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  • zweg25zweg25 Member Posts: 738

    You're right it doesn't look right. I don't think it is being identified as a "crash"? I deleted all the other logs and made the crash occur again and this is what I got. Thanks for the help Dave, any other ideas?

  • The_Gamesalad_GuruThe_Gamesalad_Guru Member Posts: 9,922

    Did you run instruments? see what the memory usage is. are you doing a straight build or viewer? make sure it's a straight build.

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  • zweg25zweg25 Member Posts: 738

    I'm doing a straight build. Memory usage is normal, nothing absurd there.

  • AngryBoiAngryBoi Member Posts: 586

    I've never used tables in my life and never have had a random crash. Right now my only crashes are from chartboost.

  • zweg25zweg25 Member Posts: 738

    There are no ads

  • cloud9_1cloud9_1 Member Posts: 1

    my GameSalad program keeps crashing every time i press play/preview (or whatever :) ) even when i don't have anything in it. can someone help me with that?

  • The_Gamesalad_GuruThe_Gamesalad_Guru Member Posts: 9,922

    Trash it and reinstall.

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  • The_Gamesalad_GuruThe_Gamesalad_Guru Member Posts: 9,922

    @zweg25 said:
    I'm doing a straight build. Memory usage is normal, nothing absurd there.

    What was the ussage?

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  • zweg25zweg25 Member Posts: 738

    Actually maybe you are right. It is normally around 80mb but when it crashes it skyrockets another 100mb

  • zweg25zweg25 Member Posts: 738

    Good catch. What is that caused from?

  • zweg25zweg25 Member Posts: 738

    Still pulling my teeth at this. Sorry to be a pain. Any other ideas?

  • BlackCloakGSBlackCloakGS Member, PRO Posts: 2,250

    open a support ticket with use and send us the crash log and console

  • zweg25zweg25 Member Posts: 738
    edited June 2015

    Oddly enough, if you pause the game and resume (unpause game behavior) the game the crash goes away. But then causes other problems

  • The_Gamesalad_GuruThe_Gamesalad_Guru Member Posts: 9,922

    Send them the crash log and the instruments output.

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