Logo design needed - question first
Steverd
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I need a logo soon and really like Field305 posting and all of the response to it.
So I want to copy his idea. Since I have a limited budget how much do you think
should be offered to get good interest? $40, $50 $75? Maybe $50 for first pick and then $25 for second?
Any other thoughts on how to do this right?
Thank you,
Steve
So I want to copy his idea. Since I have a limited budget how much do you think
should be offered to get good interest? $40, $50 $75? Maybe $50 for first pick and then $25 for second?
Any other thoughts on how to do this right?
Thank you,
Steve
Comments
Or are you trying to say something else?
These things are often presented as a 'competition' when in reality it's a free pitching exercise, lot's of people designing logos, the majority of which will nessecerally be unpaid futile efforts.
http://www.how-to-branding.com/Logo-Design-Theory.html
Or try doing yourself. Getting creative does not have to be difficult and can be a lot of fun. Even if you can't draw well your ideas might just really work. Aim for delight and have fun with it. It is far more likely to appeal to others.
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I can report back how it goes if anyone cares.
I can't agree more, this culture of free pitching (which is rapidly becoming the norm) is very damaging, I work in music (TV / film) and it's the same deal, you are asked to write and record and produce a piece of music on spec, the process can often go on for weeks, all at your own cost, with regular comments and changes from the agency along with the expectation that you are on call pretty much 24 hours a day during this process, weekends too, and at very short notice (I was recently called at 5:30am out of the blue to have a change ready for a preproduction meeting at 7:30am) . . . . and at the end of the process they can simply have a listen to your final piece against their final edit and casually decide . . . "Nah . . ! doesn't really work for me" . . . . and the work goes to some other piece of music . . . and that's it, game over, onto the next job.
To be honest it's !@#$%, everyone I know who works in music/sound design thinks it's !@#$%, I used to work in design (I did my degree in graphic design) and over the last few years it's become endemic there too (as you probably well know), and my friends who work in design think its !@#$% too, no one likes it, people want to do a decent job and get paid a decent fee.
I'm am sure Steverd only meant well (he's already a cut above those wanting the product of other people' labour for nothing) and he's hardly the root of the creative industries' woes, but I also see nothing wrong with voicing a more general concern in this context, spec / contest work damages the market.
I laughed when I read your "overinflated promise for future employment" - that's every single "hey, we haven't got much money on this one" job I have ever done.
@Steverd
"haters" + "I can report back how it goes if anyone cares" (etc etc, usual online stuff)
My comments above are not aimed at you per sa, they are comments made in regard to general trend in the creative industries, where some of us make money that feeds our children, in years to come you may find that your time and effort and investment in app development is similarly sidelined by a culture that demands you produce your work, to completion, at your own cost, only to be rejected on the whim of an increasingly powerful client base.
Best of luck at 99Design, they do some really nice stuff there, and $300 is not a terrible price for what you want, it's good to see a realistic investment, I also hope the career you've chosen doesn't take the inexorable slide into panhandling that a lot of the creative industry seems headed towards, and if it does, I hope you don't, in years to come, chance across a younger version of yourself who brands you a 'hater' for voicing your concerns.
It made me realize I should put more $$$ into this project.
Spec work is absolutely PERFECT for this logo.
I had ZERO idea of how I want my logo, I could not relay my idea to a designer
and still feel 100% that the brains of 12 or 20 designers is much better than
hoping one designer can come up with something I like.
BTW I do have a graphic artist that I use for my other work. But as said above
I didn't want to limit the logo to just one person's ideas.
I know people here 'HATE' spec work, but someone on 99Design will get the $300.
I imagine some great designers here could put something together pretty fast without
too much investment in your time.
PAID LOGO DESIGN CONTEST!!! $75
I didn't see one negative post on that thread!!
And now I am offering $300.00.
If you want the link let me know.
"Spec work is absolutely PERFECT for this logo. . . . . the brains of 12 or 20 designers is much better than [1]"
I think that's issue with spec work, the client is always more than happy with this kind of arrangement because it serves them perfectly, they get 20 people working for them for the price of one, but the 19 people who put the time in, do the work (only to see their work dragged into the bin without any payment whatsoever) have children to feed, mortgages / rent to pay and so on.
There was a time when things worked like this, you agreed a fee, you did the work and you then got paid, this is how it still works in just about every other sector from car repair to architecture, from plumbing to hairdressing, from driving lessons to restaurants.
Imagine that, rather than pay the going rate for a meal in a restaurant, a diner has 20 chefs prepare 20 meals for him (the chefs paying for the ingredients themselves), one after another they bring their creation to the diner's table and place it in front of him, he samples a little of each dish, some dishes he doesn't particularly like the look of don't even get tasted as he's not supplied the chefs with any clues of what he likes ("I had ZERO idea of how I want my meal") - and then on little more than a whim has 19 of the meals thrown into the bin - and the chefs are sent away.
When a couple of the chefs voice the idea that this is a less than ideal arrangement, the diner - looking a little confused - exclaims: "but I don't get it, this is a PERFECT way for me to dine out, I get the 12 or 20 chefs to cook for me, for the price of one, what's the problem with this arrangement, I just can't see was the issue is ?".
The chefs try and explain the situation from their point of view, how 19 of them will not be paid for their work, the diner still confused as to why this is not a perfect arrangement for everyone calls them 'haters' and storms off to another restaurant (not that this stops him from returning an hour later to taunt the chefs through the window by telling them how much money he spent at the 2nd restaurant).
And that's the reality of this seemingly 'perfect' arrangement (perfect for who?) on average a designer will be paid for 1 out of 20 jobs he does, it used to be that a designer would be paid for all the work he did (crazy, I know), but that was before this new 'perfect' arrangement was the norm.
A quick question for you, are you planning to get paid for your app development work, by that I mean are you planning to sell your apps ?
and i'm sure 12-20 voodoo doctor can just whip up the medicine you need.
"Wait - you guys have seen this right?
PAID LOGO DESIGN CONTEST!!! $75"
I didn't see one negative post on that thread!!
You asked: "any other thoughts on how to do this right?" - . . . . . you received people's thoughts, people's honest opinions on the subject as well as some great advice from old_kipper (which you didn't bother to thank him for) - about the worst post was probably my own which described spec work as "not nice", in fact I'd say the first really negative post was from yourself describing people here as 'haters'.
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"I'm in witness protection and can't comment for fear of revealing my current location."
The moustache and dyed hair works, but I think the dress is a step to far.
"I long for the old days when GS didn't have all these young kiddies"
I don't doubt that.
Update: After 24 hours I know have 18 Entries with 25 watchers.
I am already happy with the results and have now marked the $300 as Guaranteed.
Steverd, If you had come to one of us with $300 for your logo, we could have worked with you to produce exactly what you wanted! Instead you chose to get 17 poor saps to work for $0, and only give the money to one. I really don't think you get what everyone has been saying here! and that's just the problem with all of this.
As for that other post and no one ragging on him, I most certainly did! But I think my comment flew over most peoples heads! Including yours.
I really think these competition designs should be taken off the GS forums!
99Designs is a bane on the creative industry, it milks young talent, and naive freelances into believing that they are getting noticed! Instead, they are just destroying any chance they have of becoming a professional business in the long run"
Agreed, they think they are building a great portfolio for their future entrance into the 'pro' world of design, but what the are really doing is helping to change the culture of how the design industry works, when a lot of this young talent reaches the stage where they want to consider design as a full time career, rather than a hobby or as a way of earning a bit of extra money to get them through college - they will find that no one wants to hire a designer on a decent wage when you can get 10 or even 20 people all working on the same $70 logo, all working with no guarantees of being paid, you really can't compete with that.
I now have over 100 designs to pick from, there's no way I could have gotten that much help here.
It just would have been more people yelling that it was spec work and we are "ALL" against it.
From my stand point it has been an AMAZING experience at 99designs and the ONLY negative thing about it all has come from people here at GameSalad forums.
Are you planning to get paid for the apps you produce now or in the future ?