Fragged - Our first MAC Title

BApps

Fragged has been released onto the MAC Store. This is our first MAC Title and we think our best game yet. Fragged is a 'Fragger' style game. Throw grenades to blow up the enemy.

'The objective of Fragged is to blow up all the enemies with a certain amount of Frags.

Each level has its own design and different ways which you have to blow up the enemy.'







Please check out Fragged and tell us what you think.

http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/fragged/id454469421?mt=12

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svn

How can it be your best game yet if its your FIRST game yet? Plus, the whole thing looks like Fragger, right down to the creepy enemies!

BApps

svn said:
How can it be your best game yet if its your FIRST game yet? Plus, the whole thing looks like Fragger, right down to the creepy enemies!

If you read it again it actually says 'Our first MAC Title', not our first title. We have games on the iPhone and iPad but we think this is the best game we have developed yet.

Also yes it does have the fragger style, we wanted our game to have that fragger style.

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Dizko

"Has the Fragger style"

AKA is a Fragger clone. Just be straight up about it, we're not your customers you don't have to BS with us.

My only critique (having not played the game) is that you could have added a background to the areas that would be caves, it looks a bit odd that you can see through a solid mass of earth.

JamieOneil

Like others said.
Looks similar to fragger.
But still good luck with it!

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beefy_clyro

You even copied the icon really

BApps

I wouldn't say it was a clone, if we cloned it I would have used all their graphics. It has that fragger style/look. I have seen alot of 'clone' games posted here, people in the app store give a game that looks more like another game more of a chance I have found.

Anyway I am glad people think it is a fragger 'clone' because that was the style/look we were going for.

beefy_clyro said:
You even copied the icon really

Like I said we wanted that look.

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quantumsheep

I think you're walking a fine line there...

"going for the same look" is fine, stylistically - but pretty much going for the same character look within a game that pretty much plays the same as its 'inspiration'...

Well...

QS

Chunkypixels

Its a clone for sure... and one that Im pretty sure is going to earn you a "cease and desist" order.

Ive not looked too closely, but straight away I can say your using some of the original games art assets. The cloud graphics are from the web based Fragger for definate.

its a shame really... as youve obviously put quite a bit of work into creating the game. Instead of trying to copy the original source, and trying to ride off its popularity, with a little more effort you could have made it into something with its own appeal and character, that wouldnt have been putting you at risk of losing the work youve already invested.

old_kipper

I don't really understand the approach. If you were a writer and loved another writer's work and want to produce something in that genre, would you aspire to make something so close to the original? I doubt it. And if you did would you expect good sales?

A post a couple of months back linked to a lecture by a developer who spoke about games that largely copies of major titles. The sales figures he quoted for these were that the first couple might make a moderate amount for a short period, then the sales fell off and later copies did little or nothing.

As Chunkypixels says, it is clear you have put work into this, and it would be sad to see your work go to waste. Originality combined with the amount of effort you've put in would I think stand you a better chance, and certainly avoid legal complications.

kipper

BApps

Cardinal said:
I smell a lawsuit...

So what your saying is fragger have copyright to the whole concept of throwing a grenade at a enemy and blowing it up?

Like when 'papi jump' come out and 'doodle jump' copied their concept? Or when 'angry birds' copied 'Crush the castles' concept?

There have been many games created here that are 'clones', 'styles' , 'look like' games, will they all get lawsuits?

A few clouds may be the same as fragger and the concept but the rest of the game was created by us, levels etc. We are very happy with the way the game has turned out, if people think that it is a clone then that's their opinion.

JohnPapiomitis

is it that hard to be original and come up with something yourself, like really.

carter

I think that BAapps is right. Its looks like a good game and he put a lot of work into it.

JohnPapiomitis

carter said:
I think that BAapps is right. Its looks like a good game and he put a lot of work into it.

so what. Its not original at all. If he didnt want opinions he shouldnt have posted his game.

JohnPapiomitis

RKS said:
I agree that it's not original, but the online game "Red Remover" was copied by one of the greatest game makers, TSB!!! See, he made "Red Block Remover", a copy of Red Romover. Everyone has stolen an idea before, if not in a game somewhere else.

JeffreyShimane

BApps said:
So what your saying is fragger have copyright to the whole concept of throwing a grenade at a enemy and blowing it up?

Like when 'papi jump' come out and 'doodle jump' copied their concept? Or when 'angry birds' copied 'Crush the castles' concept?

There have been many games created here that are 'clones', 'styles' , 'look like' games, will they all get lawsuits?

A few clouds may be the same as fragger and the concept but the rest of the game was created by us, levels etc. We are very happy with the way the game has turned out, if people think that it is a clone then that's their opinion.

As has been said on these forums before, gameplay concepts cannot be copyrighted. Your Doodle Jump/Angry Birds examples are not an apples to apples comparison with your game because those games look nothing like the games they share gameplay concepts with. Where you may run into some legal issues is if the makers of Fragger send a cease and desist letter or file a lawsuit claiming that your game is so much like Fragger in gameplay/looks/icon/etc. that App Store consumers may be confused that Fragged is a sequel to Fragger or was made by the makers of Fragger.

When you say "A few clouds may be the same as fragger", are you saying that you are using the actual cloud asset from Fragger? If so, that's a copyright violation as assets created by the makers of Fragger are copyrighted.

Beyond that, I have a few suggestions for your game:

1) As Dizko mentioned, the background of the underground tunnels should not be transparent. It looks very strange that you can see the hills in the background graphic in the underground tunnels. You just need to make them dark brown/black.

2) The grenade in the icon is upside down. You would never hold a grenade with the pin side by your pinkie. It should be by your thumb.

I think you can try to capture the look/style of Fragger but put your own twist on it to make it your own. For example, instead of generic soldiers, you could use green army men toys (like in Toy Story) fighting against beige army men or you could make them ant soldiers in a war between the black and red ants (which would go along with the war theme and underground tunnels).

- Jeff

DreamLab

RKS said:
I agree that it's not original, but the online game "Red Remover" was copied by one of the greatest game makers, TSB!!! See, he made "Red Block Remover", a copy of Red Romover. Everyone has stolen an idea before, if not in a game somewhere else.

Actually no not everybody. Some people like to stay original, or at least add their own twist to the game to make it their own. Which everyone should. Rip off's aren't going to make you rich. Never ever. Now if you were to add some other features, and change the theme up, then yah, it can be successful.

EDIT: I just got my next game idea! Mad birds!

DreamLab

RKS said:
I'm n

I said if not in a GAME somewhere ELSE. What you said is half true, but you have copied someone at least ONCE in your ENTIRE life. A joke, a math test, something

Even if I did, that doesn't make it right. Plus, I have never copied something entirely.

BazookaTime

In the end, it is not the gameplay that is going to come into question. The issue will be whether the makers of Fragger think that your game confuses customers due to the look of the game. Your grenade icon and finger placement is almost identical to the Fragger icon, so that is not a good start and tie that it with the named Fragged being so close to Fragger, I would be surprised if you don't hear from someone.

AppFueled

One area where you might have a problem is in the title: "Fragged." Imagine someone making an Angry Birds clone and calling it: "Angry Birdz?"

BApps

RKS said:
I agree that it's not original, but the online game "Red Remover" was copied by one of the greatest game makers, TSB!!! See, he made "Red Block Remover", a copy of Red Romover. Everyone has stolen an idea before, if not in a game somewhere else.

Thank you, I have seen so many 'clones', 'look like' games here and only certain people get criticized. it seems if you are not a 'higher' status on this forum you will get no where. If someone like TSB would have posted a game similar to my game would he have got the same response? I'm not trying to hate on anyone but I just think these forums favorite certain people because of who they are.

JohnPapiomitis said:
is it that hard to be original and come up with something yourself, like really.

So when tiny wings was on the rise you didn't 'clone' their game and resell it? http://gamesalad.com/forums/topic.php?id=18623

Just because you didn't actually upload that template to the app store yourself you sold it with the intentions of others uploading it. If you don't like cloned games then surly you shouldn't of created that? How much did that template make you?

8BitGrenade said:
One area where you might have a problem is in the title: "Fragged." Imagine someone making an Angry Birds clone and calling it: "Angry Birdz?"

Angry Frogs? http://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/angry-frogs/id447677252?mt=8

Just type 'Angry' into the app store and there are loads.

PoseMotion

Your character in your game, not your icon, looks a lot like, http://www.secretmaryo.org/ , but with different clothes?

BApps

This is just going to keep going on and on. If someone wants to close this then please do.

AppFueled

I think you are missing my point. "Fragger" and "Fragged" are too much alike, especially when the games are almost identical. This is one area where you may have a problem. As I mentioned before, it would be just like someone creating a game almost identical to "Angry Birds" and calling it "Angry Birdz." In both examples, the titles are completely the same except for 1 letter.

Angry Frogs is a different case. "Frogs" and "Birds" are completely different from each other and do not look like the same titles.

Angry Frogs? http://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/angry-frogs/id447677252?mt=8

Just type 'Angry' into the app store and there are loads.

BApps said:
Thank you, I have seen so many 'clones', 'look like' games here and only certain people get criticized. it seems if you are not a 'higher' status on this forum you will get no where. If someone like TSB would have posted a game similar to my game would he have got the same response? I'm not trying to hate on anyone but I just think these forums favorite certain people because of who they are.

So when tiny wings was on the rise you didn't 'clone' their game and resell it? http://gamesalad.com/forums/topic.php?id=18623

Just because you didn't actually upload that template to the app store yourself you sold it with the intentions of others uploading it. If you don't like cloned games then surly you shouldn't of created that? How much did that template make you?

Angry Frogs? http://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/angry-frogs/id447677252?mt=8

Just type 'Angry' into the app store and there are loads.

JohnPapiomitis

BApps said:
Thank you, I have seen so many 'clones', 'look like' games here and only certain people get criticized. it seems if you are not a 'higher' status on this forum you will get no where. If someone like TSB would have posted a game similar to my game would he have got the same response? I'm not trying to hate on anyone but I just think these forums favorite certain people because of who they are.

So when tiny wings was on the rise you didn't 'clone' their game and resell it? http://gamesalad.com/forums/topic.php?id=18623

Just because you didn't actually upload that template to the app store yourself you sold it with the intentions of others uploading it. If you don't like cloned games then surly you shouldn't of created that? How much did that template make you?

Angry Frogs? http://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/angry-frogs/id447677252?mt=8

Just type 'Angry' into the app store and there are loads.

Actually no i didnt upload it with the intention of someone else uploading as is. Thats why i made the graphics as crappy as possible. Anyone that uploads thats is dumb. It wasnt to clone tiny wings, it was to show how to have a endless runner type setup with hills and jumps and such and effect his movement based on other movemtns. Tiny wings happens to be the best example of that. Templates are made to learn of off.

As others have said dont be surprised if you get a cease and desist, or if it gets rejected all together.

Topic closed.

And ill be looking forward to Cut the Roped!